what kind of a relationship are we suppose to have with jesus christ?
keyser says:
I've read the same bible as you. His track record speaks or itself. You constantly defend his actions on the basis that he is god and therefore has the right. Having the right does not in itself mean that the actions are not evil or immoral. Not if you judge those actions by the standards of right and wrong that he supposedly imparted us with.
are you judging God, cause if you are im gonna leave you alone.
im just wondering because it seems like you have no hope.
please set me straight.
Aguest,
one thing i learned from studing with jw was that i believe what i am able to believe and not what someone wants to tell me to believe. If i cant believe what you say then i will not believe it. I have been truly studying the Bible as of oct 07. it is now April 08. thats 6 mos, not a lot of time but i study deeply and with the help of the Holy Spirit I have come to accurate knowledge. i dont not know everything but i continue to learn everyday.
I appreciate your concern of my knowledge
what kind of a relationship are we suppose to have with jesus christ?
you know its funny how people on this board speak of how evil God is and how uncaring he is but if you read their posts you would think they would really be speaking of themselves. You guys post some horrific, mean,unloving stuff.
the world population increases by 70 million each year.. this means that on the day armageddon strikes, at least 700 000 000 babies under the age of 10 wil be slaughtered.. 192 000 of these will be less than 24 hours old, many of them killed with their head barely hanging out of their mothers vagina.. how can the witlesses love a god that would do this - even long for it??.
it strikes me that for the witlesses morality is entirely relative.. i well remember the kingdumb song: "some paint god cruel" (wt does!!!).
hb.
nmg says:
Realone BELIEVES and PREACHES this crap that babies along with everyone else are going to burn in hell. Thank you very much realone. Now we know your true colors.
HOW in HELL can anyone accept this crap as bible truth??? The god of the NT is not the same god as the OLD testament, if you still believe there is a god at all.......Prove it to me....
NMG
nmg, i dont know who is going to burn in hell, thats up to God.
i'm just trying to fill a logical hole.
many people conclude that the existence of life or the structure of the universe demands that there be a god.
i don't really agree with this, but i can sympathise with that viewpoint.
there are many gods. there is only one true God Jehovah. How do I know? How do you know he is not?
....that is not sure if you believe in god?
i envy those of you who have moved through this space.
wings.
much love to ya missing link!
i see this a lot on this forum, loads of people saying they left jw's because of "hypocritical ....... ( put elder, pioneer, couple, sister, brother, governing body) here.. but?.
why would you expect any man-run organisation if you believe the bible, to have to be perfect and not be full of imperfect people that will come across as hypocritical?.
the bible examples from israelites onwards name anyone :- moses, king david, pharasees, paul the one thing the bible doesn't do is white-wash them it shows that however much we follow the laws we are always fighting our own imperfection usually failing every time and needing to be corrected sometimes punished (moses had to give-up chance of seeing the foretold land), so why do we hold this against jw's as a reasons not to be a jw's anymore?.
nomoreguilt says:
Realone.....You are tripping yourself up here....You say here that for 17 years that you believed what the wts taught, while in your first posts on jwd you said that you only STUDIED with them. 17 years???And you never got baptised as a jw? Now you say that you were a baptist?
Whats' the STRAIGHT SKINNY on you ANYWAYS??
NMG
I did believe what they taught for 17 years. no, i was never baptised as a jw. yes i was baptised as a baptist before i studied with jw.
whats your point nmg?
what kind of a relationship are we suppose to have with jesus christ?
white dove says:
Just what was the first question that was asked when you were baptized as a Christian? Didn't you have to admit something? What was that? If you are not a sinner, you don't need JC. I thought people weren't without sin until after the rapture takes them up and they get changed. This is assuming you got baptized in a church, not JW khall.
white dove, I accepted Jesus Christ as my savior. I repented for my sins. I believe he died and was resurrected. I made public confession of this. Because of this act I was born again. which means my sins were washed in Jesus' blood and i was therefore made righteous and acceptable to Jehovah. I did not say i was without sin. but i am not a sinner. a sinner is someone who has not been redeemed. i have been redeemed.
....that is not sure if you believe in god?
i envy those of you who have moved through this space.
wings.
I have tried praying, to God and Jesus, but it doesn't seem to go anywhere besides being an emotional release.
I guess that is good for something, especially in the dark of the night when you can't sleep. I feel the same way. Continue to pray. remember this poem
| Footprints in the Sand |
| One night I dreamed I was walking along the beach with the Lord. |
| Many scenes from my life flashed across the sky. |
| In each scene I noticed footprints in the sand. |
| Sometimes there were two sets of footprints, |
| other times there were one set of footprints. |
| This bothered me because I noticed |
| that during the low periods of my life, |
| when I was suffering from |
| anguish, sorrow or defeat, |
| I could see only one set of footprints. |
| So I said to the Lord, |
| "You promised me Lord, |
| that if I followed you, |
| you would walk with me always. |
| But I have noticed that during |
| the most trying periods of my life |
| there have only been one |
| set of footprints in the sand. |
| Why, when I needed you most, |
| you have not been there for me?" |
| The Lord replied, |
| "The times when you have |
| seen only one set of footprints in the sand, |
| is when I carried you." |
| Mary Stevenson |
what kind of a relationship are we suppose to have with jesus christ?
Gregor. i hope you can establish a relationship with Jesus one day. Jesus is love.
